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Bal Thakeray friend of Bachhans.
Raj Thakeray opposition of Bal Thakeray.
Raj Thakeray attacked the Bachhans.
Bachhan's competitor is Shahrukh Khan.
Bal Thakeray attacks Shahrukh Khan.
Raj Thakeray opposition of Bal Thakeray.
Raj Thakeray attacked the Bachhans.
Bachhan's competitor is Shahrukh Khan.
Bal Thakeray attacks Shahrukh Khan.
Now none of this is my business. But what bothers me, are the unconstitutional things being openly said here, without any reprimands.
According to the Right to Freedom under the Fundamental Rights we have,
If the Bachhan's speak Hindi, or Shahrukh Khan says he is from Delhi, what is the big deal, and who are these idiots to object. As a citizen of India, they have the right to live anywhere they want to in the state of India and speak the national language Hindi. How dare these buffoons intimidate or abuse them? What do they want, that, at the Hindi movie premiers held in Bombay, everyone should speak in Marathi? Should we convert the Hindi Film industry to Marathi film industry. There are limits to all foolish acts, but this is just going over the limit.
Whats even more irritating and disgusting is the way these people have defended themselves, giving examples of much worse behaviour. Its like saying its ok if I kill one person because the terrorists are killing so many. To quote from the news item, "In southern states, the anti-Hindi campaign has been on for the last sixty years. There is a ban on Hindi films and Hindi news in Tamil Nadu. In Assam, those speaking in Hindi are killed," they said. How shameful is that? How do we live in a country where such things happen, and no one does anything about it. Shouldn't we be ashamed of such things, instead of publicly flaunting them and using them as a shield for further communal behaviour.
I believe India is the only country where there is no pride in the national language. We go onto proudly announce that we don't know it, don't want to, and neither do we care to. How shameful is that. Hindi is our national language, we need to have a sense of pride in that. Its great to know your mother tongue, but it really aggrieves me when Indians disregard the national language, it hurts my patriotic spirit. I love my national flag, national language, national anthem. So if one does not know Hindi, I have to presume that they don't know the national anthem either, which again is in Hindi!
We are one country India, not different states, why can we not accept, understand and have pride in that. How do these communal remarks, thoughts, acts, help anyone at all? Does the country achieve anything by it, do we progress, get richer? No, then why? A person can be born in Chennai, do his schooling in Ooty, go to college in Chandigarh, do the post grad in Pune, and then work in Kolkatta. Whats the big deal? So does this person have to pretend to belong to whichever state he currently is in, to please some goons like the Thakerays? I can live anywhere I want to in My country, and happily so, I don't have to learn the local language, there is no binding, I will do it only because I want to, and no reason but that!
We live in a country which claims to be secular, give rights of equality to its citizens, the freedom of expression. Where do all these things disappear in the presence of goons? Has it really become a state of Might is Right now?
Addendum - More communal statements from the Thakrey clan continues. Now Bal Thakeray claims that Bombay belongs to Maharashtrians only, and none others. Two questions for you Mr.Thakeray..
1. Do you know as a guarantee that The Joint Commisioner does not know Marathi, did he personally inform you that he does not know the language? I think not, and I don't believe it is even possible that he does not know Marathi. So is he prohibited from using any language other than Marathi as long as he is in Maharashtra? And for press conferences,is Marathi to be the only language in use, even when more than the Marathi press is in attendance? Who are you to instruct anyways?
2. What is Bombay, the financial capital of India, without the Ambanis, Birlas, Tatas, Wadias, Mallyas? None of them are Maharashtrian may I point out! Can you and the Shiv Sena, run such huge business enterprises?
According to the Right to Freedom under the Fundamental Rights we have,
- To move freely throughout the territory of India;
- To reside and settle in any part of the territory of India.
If the Bachhan's speak Hindi, or Shahrukh Khan says he is from Delhi, what is the big deal, and who are these idiots to object. As a citizen of India, they have the right to live anywhere they want to in the state of India and speak the national language Hindi. How dare these buffoons intimidate or abuse them? What do they want, that, at the Hindi movie premiers held in Bombay, everyone should speak in Marathi? Should we convert the Hindi Film industry to Marathi film industry. There are limits to all foolish acts, but this is just going over the limit.
Whats even more irritating and disgusting is the way these people have defended themselves, giving examples of much worse behaviour. Its like saying its ok if I kill one person because the terrorists are killing so many. To quote from the news item, "In southern states, the anti-Hindi campaign has been on for the last sixty years. There is a ban on Hindi films and Hindi news in Tamil Nadu. In Assam, those speaking in Hindi are killed," they said. How shameful is that? How do we live in a country where such things happen, and no one does anything about it. Shouldn't we be ashamed of such things, instead of publicly flaunting them and using them as a shield for further communal behaviour.
I believe India is the only country where there is no pride in the national language. We go onto proudly announce that we don't know it, don't want to, and neither do we care to. How shameful is that. Hindi is our national language, we need to have a sense of pride in that. Its great to know your mother tongue, but it really aggrieves me when Indians disregard the national language, it hurts my patriotic spirit. I love my national flag, national language, national anthem. So if one does not know Hindi, I have to presume that they don't know the national anthem either, which again is in Hindi!
We are one country India, not different states, why can we not accept, understand and have pride in that. How do these communal remarks, thoughts, acts, help anyone at all? Does the country achieve anything by it, do we progress, get richer? No, then why? A person can be born in Chennai, do his schooling in Ooty, go to college in Chandigarh, do the post grad in Pune, and then work in Kolkatta. Whats the big deal? So does this person have to pretend to belong to whichever state he currently is in, to please some goons like the Thakerays? I can live anywhere I want to in My country, and happily so, I don't have to learn the local language, there is no binding, I will do it only because I want to, and no reason but that!
We live in a country which claims to be secular, give rights of equality to its citizens, the freedom of expression. Where do all these things disappear in the presence of goons? Has it really become a state of Might is Right now?
Addendum - More communal statements from the Thakrey clan continues. Now Bal Thakeray claims that Bombay belongs to Maharashtrians only, and none others. Two questions for you Mr.Thakeray..
1. Do you know as a guarantee that The Joint Commisioner does not know Marathi, did he personally inform you that he does not know the language? I think not, and I don't believe it is even possible that he does not know Marathi. So is he prohibited from using any language other than Marathi as long as he is in Maharashtra? And for press conferences,is Marathi to be the only language in use, even when more than the Marathi press is in attendance? Who are you to instruct anyways?
2. What is Bombay, the financial capital of India, without the Ambanis, Birlas, Tatas, Wadias, Mallyas? None of them are Maharashtrian may I point out! Can you and the Shiv Sena, run such huge business enterprises?
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It also aggrieves me when people like you make all of us believe that hindi is India's National Language and declare those not wishing to learn it as parochial or anti-national. Lesson #1 : Hindi is NOT India's national language! It is only an official language.
Show me where in the constitution it states that Hindi is India's national language?
And for your national anthem comment. You really are ignorant aren't you? Its in Bengali, not Hindi! I don't know how much of an education you had in cow belt, but my suggestion for you would be to pick up a book, and start reading. Maybe it will undo all the propaganda you have been fed all these years.
Please tell me what book you want me to read, that would definitely help.
When in school I learnt a few things like national flag, national emblem, national anthem... etc. one of the things was National language and that the text books told me was Hindi. Obviously you have read other books. Which ones?
I wrote this post because the communalism in India is really bothering me, maybe it does not matter to you. I am not surprised, because you seemed to have passed a lot of judgements on me without knowing an iota about me, shows your ignorance and bias. But I am not here to judge you.
My question is, how can anybody in a free country be questioned for speaking a certain language, or for that matter proclaiming his love for one part of the country. People are threatened for this? Is that acceptable? Do I need to render an apology to anyone in India because I speak Hindi?? What do you think?
I don't know which part of the country you belong to, but just presume you belong to say.... Tamil Nadu. You speak Tamil as your mother tongue. Now you come to live in Bombay and continue to speak the language, is it fair to make you apologise for that? Is it fair to force you to read Marathi? Is it fair, if when you claim that you belong to TN, people vandalise you?
Think about this, and I would really like to know what you think.
Also I don't think being abusive helps anyone, and you obviously did not get the point of my post. I am against communalism, its not about forcing people to speak Hindi.
"Please tell me what book you want me to read, that would definitely help.
When in school I learnt a few things like national flag, national emblem, national anthem... etc. one of the things was National language and that the text books told me was Hindi. Obviously you have read other books. Which ones?"
You only have to read one book, and its called the Indian Constitution. Whatever garbage you have learned in school, unlearn it.
I will make things easier for you:
http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf
The above is the link to the Indian Constitution (The link is none other than the Official Indian Gov't). Scroll to Official Languages. And you will read that Hindi is treated as Official Language, and Official Language ONLY. Now, please tell me where does it say Hindi is Indian's National Language?
Regarding National Anthem, I can't teach common sense. If you refuse to believe that anthem is in Bengali, and want to live in lala land in which you believe National Anthem to be in Hindi, then you can go ahead and do so. National Anthem is in Sanskritized Bengali. You can make a search on Google, and find journals that will tell you that (dont' use TOI, or run of the mill Indian newspapers as source).
No one is stopping people from speaking their language, but if you live in an another state for 23 years, have at least the decency and respect the learn the native language. How would you feel if some 5 million tamilians or kannadigas migrate to Lucknow(or wherever you come from), form a major % of the city's population, and then refuse to speak the Hindi? You don't think that will piss off people? You don't think that will make people have resentment against you? If you are migrating for 1 or 2 years or on a business trip, then its fine if you aren't able to speak the local language. But if you permanently move there and then refuse to assimilate or respect the local traditions, then YOU are to blame, YOU are the bigot. Just because you are an Indian citizen and can move anywhere doesn't give you the right to abuse that privilege. You have to respect the right of others as well, including learning the language of the state you are residing.
I am not Tamil. I am Telugu/Hindi/Marathi mix, and consider both telugu and hindi to be my mother tongue.
Regarding forcing Hindi part. You yourself don't know that hindi isn't India's national language, and there are 400-500 million of you running around claiming hindi to be the national language or "rashtra basha". Hell, you have convinced yourself hindi to be a national language, and are hell bent on convincing/forcing the whole nation too, even though ITS A LIE. Anyone who refuses to speak hindi is deemed anti-national, You don't think that's forcing people to speak hindi?
oh look GM - someone who knows everything about our country but not his/her own name. strange.
as for the growing intolerance in the country - does it surprise you? here you are writing in a corner of the world, and a stranger walking by calls you 'ignorant' instead of politely sharing an opinion.
Sad...
No MM, the growing intolerance is not surprising me, but i feel it IS very wrong, and that bothers me.
Agastya, what do I say to you? I am not sure if there is any point at all... but yet again I will try. And yes, if you do want to reply to this, do keep personal comments away, because this is as much as i can tolerate.
Ok, so the constitution says, Hindi is just the official language. Fair enough(I would have appreciated your efforts about sending me the link, if you had not been as abusive as you have been.)But it is still a language widely spoken in India right? So that means I have the right to speak that language on any part of the Indian soil, am I right? Is it acceptable to be killed, if I do that? Is it alright to be abused, and physically hurt if I speak Hindi or any other language I feel like on Indian soil? I may know the language spoken by most people in a place, but that does not mean, I have to use that language everywhere. And to kill for that? And you think that is alright? Its terrorism, communalism!
For me India is India... not Punjab, Maharashtra, West Bengal, Gujarat, Karnataka.......so it seems kind of unfair and unjust to me, and makes a mockery of the term free-country. Also for me local is Indian. Any Indian is a local on Indian soil.
If people get violent about someone not speaking the language they speak, they may get equally violent about someone not following their religion, so is it acceptable to be 'pissed off' and become violent? To kill, to hurt? I don't think the constitution condones violence, does it?
About the national anthem....I happen to know the details rather well. But I have never really heard it sung in the Bengali accent, so I said Hindi.... instead of Sanskrit. So what happens now? Its in Bengali, will the states develop their own anthems, in their own languages? Do we need certificates proving we know the language of a state to enter it?
We can live anywhere for not one or two but hundreds of years, we can know the language, but what we feel and say , is our own business, and no one has the right to comment on that. The problem is when I am forced to learn Marathi by the Shiv Sena, I prefer not to learn any, whereas otherwise, I am gladly and just as a part of my everyday life learning it anyways.
If you think Shiv Sena is right... I am saddened because you are an educated Indian. And if you think they are 'pissed off' and hence have the right to abuse someone.... I am very sorry to have to call you a fellow Indian.
from the anon comment its much obvious why the dirty politics flourishes.
Instead of noticing the true essence behind the post. people have the habit of picking on others and forget the real reasons and sentiments.
These people will teach the constitution to others but never follow it themselves.
Nationality is just a term for them.
Mini, its sad because educated people feel this way, I can understand the illiterate, uneducated lot, but the educated folk, how do we even make them understand?
Agastya, by the way I did not think of you as a Tamil, it was just an example, you obviously took it otherwise. And if you had read that comment carefully, you would have realised yet again, I am not pushing Hindi!
Rude comments have no place here, especially ones that take away the essence of my posts, hence they shall not be published. Agastya, I suggest you take your aggression and rudeness elsewhere, since you obviously cannot participate in a healthy debate.
Anon and Agastya - Do you know that Gandhiji proclaimed Hindi as the language of the nation because only a single language, he thought, could have been a powerful too in uniting people? Or do you have a link saying Gandhiji is just the official Father of the Nation? Do you know that most of the literature, newspapers, news channels consider themselves to be of pan-Indian presence if they are either in English or Hindi.. it sure happens for a reason, right? Do you know that most of the proceedings in our Parliament happen in Hindi - obviously there are interpreters for about 25% of the MPs only! Do you know that the National Capital has sign-boards, directions, public announcements made only in Hindi and English? Do you know that all official documentation including govt. stamps, letterheads, passports have only Hindi and English fields? Ofcourse, all this happens because we are all ignorant and none of you have been around to enlighten us.
Soul of AS, thanks a ton for this. Gandhiji proclaimed Hindi as the national language... right. How could I have not recollected this? I indeed believe that a common language is a necessity in every country. How do we communicate otherwise?
Goofy Mumma, I support you 100% on this. Like always, intolerant people take the words but miss the meaning that the words are trying to convey.
Language is but a means to communicate and not an end in itself, though a common language does help in better communication between people.
Our biggest problem has been the limited size of the pie. Our politicians have used it in good measure to divide people by taking on issues that were, and are, very very local instead of working towards increasing the size of the pie. Our national political parties had gone into hibernation and forgot about issues that concerned the common citizen - roti, kapda and makaan. The regional parties took advantage of this situation and re-directed the deprivation of the people to spread hate and intolerance against language, religion, ethnicity, etc.etc. They went on a spree raking up these non-issues to garner votes. Results are there for everyone to see. Regional parties with 2 and 3 MPs dictate what the national parliament should do, and they hardly represent the India that we want to see. Some of the comments represent a similar mindset - a mindset that does grave damage and injustice to our Constitution.
I live in Tamil Nadu and donot understand Tamil. I communicate in whatever form I can. Does that mean that I have no right to live in Tamil Nadu? I have spent my whole life travelling the length and breadth of India, served in the defence forces to proctect India and its core values, as enshrined in our Constitution. No one can claim to be larger than the Constitution that we the people adopted and nobody has the right to tell me what place, language or religion I follow - our Constitution guaranteed that right to me.
Mr. Joshi, its indeed sad that the policy of 'Divide and Rule' that the East India Company employed to rule India is what the local politicians are using for their personal gains. And what's worse is that people are brainwashed to believe in them.
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